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    Theoretical Physicist Peter Higgs

    In an interview with Spanish newspaper El Mundo, theoretical physicist Peter Higgs says of Richard, "What Dawkins does too often is to concentrate his attack on fundamentalists. But there are many believers who are just not fundamentalists"

    Yes, there are many believers who are not fundamentalists. I feel we must respectfully reply with: So, what? There's no avoiding it, love him or loathe him, Dawkins has earned his somewhat memetic (apropos) title of Darwin's Rottweiler. His academic, internet, and pop culture fame are due largely to his refreshingly straightforward and unafraid take on faith. Many of you can probably recall the first time you picked up The Selfish Gene, or perhaps the first time you overheard a coffee shop chat about this "God Delusion" thing, or indeed the first YouTube link emailed to you slightly timidly by an old college friend with the subject line of, "Damn. This dude is hardcore!"

    Peter Higgs is certainly an incredible scientist, thinker, and for all I know, person. Yet, his problem with Dawkins is that of a perceived fundamentalism. He doesn't argue with Dawkins on the facts, the evidence, or even the arguments themselves. If we're frank about it, Higgs is put off by Dawkins' apparent inability to tenderly coax his audience with kindness and caring. Higgs flat-out calls the Dawkins approach "embarrassing." In 2007, Richard addressed so-called atheist fundamentalism by writing:

    "Passion for passion, an evangelical Christian and I may be evenly matched. But we are not equally fundamentalist. The true scientist, however passionately he may 'believe', in evolution for example, knows exactly what would change his mind: evidence! The fundamentalist knows that nothing will."

    As an ex-Mormon who was once-upon-a-time fully indoctrinated into a sea of criminally stupid lies, I would ask Professor Higgs why he considers it embarrassing to showcase fact without regard for how it may be perceived. Why he considers it embarrassing to tell someone they're wrong, using as many words, when they claim that the earth is 5,000 years old. Why he considers it embarrassing to not shy away from terms like "child abuse" when referring to the psychological impact that promises of eternal hellfire might have on a toddler.

    My views about the natural world were once very, wildly incorrect, but it wasn't the role of the scientist to try to manipulate me into seeing particles of truth which I may or may not have agreed with just as it wouldn't be the role of the accountant to tell me that my savings account is doing "pretty ok, kind of" when I'm really $300 in the shit! The role of my friends, my family, my mentors, and especially myself is to sympathize with my thoughts and question why I believe what I believe. Can we not agree that the role of the scientist is to tell, show, and demonstrate the truth as it has been revealed to them by evidence? Please let's not have them waste time by wondering how the truth might affect our emotional sensibilities. That, my fine Professor Higgs, would be embarrassing.

    Please let me know if you disagree, below. Meanwhile, please permit me to humbly plug our very relevant shirt, the "Militant" Atheist!

     

    Brian
    brian@theproudatheist.com

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    • Bruno Illari says...

      People who attack religion always go for the obvious targets.
      Fundamentalists, paedophile priests, suicide bombers.
      If one were to apply the same approach to science one would refer to Dr. Mengeler and the Nazi experimenters on human victims, compulsory sterilization of allegedly retarded patients, eugenics and the scientific racism it fostered, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, destruction of the environment etc etc.
      Unfair ! You exclaim ? But this is exactly how Prof. Dawkins and other atheists attacks religion.
      Religions are far from perfect because they involve human behaviour.
      Higgs is right, science and religion do not contradict each other unless you think on a literal basis and lack the imagination to think beyond.
      Oh and by the way trying to disprove the existence of God by using science is as foolish as those creationists who distort science to prove Gods existence.
      Consider the Anthropic Principle.

      On February 04, 2013

    • Andrew Lee says...

      Ever hear that saying ‘if you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem’? If we accept that billions of Muslims don’t really believe the horrible parts of the Koran (there are good parts?) despite a central pillar of the faith being that the book is the eternal unalterable word of God then good for them not taking it seriously but lets hear them start condemning the Muslims who DO bother to read and enact the texts. Same with Catholics, if you are going to ascribe to an organisation then you should be the loudest voice when its caught with its pants down (pun intended) covering up institutional child abuse. By the way , can anybody explain to me how they Catholic church is managing to avoid criminal investigations into its actions? The Jimmy Saville thing has the police pursuing a dead paedophile but plenty of the pervert priests are still breathing…

      On January 21, 2013

    • philip c deshazior says...

      Thought is limited to the extent of one’s imagination. This is called Solipsism. Beyond that is called epistomology. So be it.

      On January 20, 2013

    • Shaun Garrett says...

      it is about humility and respect. Very very simple, and Higgs is correct. There are many good people who are religious, I know a great deal and they do not force their faith on anyone, they do not preach and when we disagree they regard that as acceptable. I believe what I believe, they believe what they believe. THAT is the way forward.

      Aggressively seeking out to assault kind and honest people’s beliefs is exactly what religion is trying to do against those of us who do not follow the word of the bible, it is one of the fundamental issues rationalist’s have with religious thinking and in trying to force rationalism upon religious thinkers without humility and respect we are vehemently pursuing a course taken by that which we wish to counter, thereby removing our credibility and eroding our worthiness for respect ultimately making us no better than that which we wish to change, in this case blind zealous pursuit.

      On January 19, 2013

    • Svatsox says...

      @grahamsmetham; since Einstein we know that matter=energy. Quantumfields are energy as well, Higgsfields even provide mass to particles, so your reasoning doesn’t follow. Besides, I’d be more careful using terms like ‘ultimate reality’. You must agree that that’s a most dreary conversation stopper.

      On January 06, 2013

    • sensible says...

      The same arguments here I have seen on the English Defence League and BNP Facebook pages. They take a fundamentalist muslim and say ‘all muslims’ instead of JUST the fundamentalist ones to incite racism. They take only the horrible Quran quotes that no muslim pays attention to. They take the Quran literally instead of a metaphor as most muslims take it. I’m not a muslim or religious but the ‘arguments’ on this page by supposed ‘intelligent’ people against religion are lock, stock and barrel the same as the racist groups use. You might want to think about that. Richard Dawkins is an extremist that takes the views of a tiny minority and indiscriminately applies it to the whole. It cause prejudice and discrimination against the whole group unfairly. If you can’t see why quoting fundamentalists and then saying “so ALL religions must be DESTROYED!” is extremist… well you maybe you’re just too ‘in tune’ with that way of thinking already. Most people are not, thankfully. Most people are tolerant and can see through blatent prejudice such as Richard Dawkin’s.

      On January 04, 2013

    • Mimi says...

      Great post – and I don’t disagree ;) keep it up!

      On January 03, 2013

    • Graham Smetham says...

      FACT

      Dawkins is a materialist.

      FACT

      The ultimate physcial basis of reality are immaterial quantum fields.

      CONCLUSION

      Dawkins is wrong about the ultimate nature of reality.

      On December 31, 2012

    • alan says...

      keep on keeping on Mr dawkins and thank you for helping me and the world to wake up to reality.

      On December 30, 2012

    • Charles Maunder says...

      I believe that the problem lies not in the way Dawkins states scientific truth but in the way he attacks religious belief.
      As many people have rightly pointed out “God is irrelevant” in scientific discussion, so why then does Richard bring him up so frequently.
      Let science speak for itself. It’s right, so it doesn’t need to go on the attack.

      On December 30, 2012

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